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[auriol]

I've taken a look on the wikia and i've seen some weird things like tundrill with ice punch/thunderpunch (he has claws but no fists) or Kongrilla with ice punch/fire punch (he's a grass type pokemon, so it doesn't make sense to learn these moves). Is it because the design of these pokemons will be modified, this is a deliberate choice or this is a mistake ?

[zerobreaker]

For Tundrill, a few things in official games gets the punch moves even if they don't have fists too. See: Gastly (), Magby line, Sudowoodo, Swalot, Deoxys-S, Probopass and Zekrom. As for Kongrilla, I'll admit that it's mostly for usability reasons, but now that I took a look at the official games Ludicolo gets both of those moves. Yes, even Fire Punch for some reason. So let's just say that it works, 'kay?

[auriol]

Jul 3, 2016 16:07:17 GMT 12 zerobreaker said:

For Tundrill, a few things in official games gets the punch moves even if they don't have fists too. See: Gastly (), Magby line, Sudowoodo, Swalot, Deoxys-S, Probopass and Zekrom. As for Kongrilla, I'll admit that it's mostly for usability reasons, but now that I took a look at the official games Ludicolo gets both of those moves. Yes, even Fire Punch for some reason. So let's just say that it works, 'kay?

Magby line, Swalot, Zekrom have fists lol. Deoxys-S it's because Deoxys's normal form has fists. Nosepass has arms that's because Probopass has these attacks. For Sudowoodo, like Nosepass he has arms so he can use the punch moves.

Gastly is an enigma, though his evolutions have fists...

Its kinda weird to see a mole without arms, and without fists using moves like thunderpunch lol



Ludicolo don't have the same type, Kongrilla is more like Breloom, and he doesn't really need these moves : if he wants to hit grass types or steel types, he can use acrobatics or his STAB and he knows Stone Edge in order to hit the flying types.



I've also seen that some pokemons learns Vacuum Wave, a fighting priority move. IG only the fighting types and Mew can learn this attack. This is also a deliberate choice ?



(sorry for my poor english, it's not my native language)

[zerobreaker]

Yes, those are deliberate choices. I'll admit I did go a bit wild on the move distributions, but this isn't an official game anyways ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[auriol]

And I suppose there'll be no discussion and no changement even if we suggest something here right 

[zerobreaker]

Eh, I guess you're a little bit bitter?
To be honest, feel free to suggest changes to the moveset here, and I'll see if they make sense.

Also, now that I look at it again Tundrill getting punch moves is pretty weird, lol
Removing them right now.
As for Vacuum Wave, honestly I feel that it's barely a Fighting-type move aside from the part in the description where it mentioned "fist". So, yeah.
And on Kongrilla being more similar to Breloom than Ludicolo.
Uh.
Yes.
In terms of typing.
But I listed Ludicolo as an example that Grass-types aren't necessarily barred from Fire- and Ice-typed moves just because those are their weaknesses; by that logic, Donphan shouldn't be able to have Ice Shard, and not to mention all those part-Ground-type mons getting Ice Beam and whatnot. There's a lot of other examples that I can't be bothered to list, but you get the idea, heh.

[auriol]

Oh I'm really sorry if I offended you, I didn't intend to hurt you, I don't speak very well english so I use words I know, really sorry about that.
Maybe it wasn't possible to edit the movesets that's why I asked if it was useless to make suggestions, I only edit pokemon games so I don't know how the game is created.
If I have any suggestions, I'll make a post here or I'll pm you to discuss about that :-)

[zerobreaker]

Alright, no harm done
And, well, I think Tao would be fine with editing the movesets; After all I still haven't gotten the egg moves done :U

[auriol]

So I post a few suggestions here : 

: add Thunderpunch to his moveset : Lavadra can already learn Wild Charge and Fire Punch. So he can easily learn this move imo
: remove Heat Wave to his moveset : uh, I don't know how Galaxire can use this attack with his morphology lol (even if he can learn Overheat)
: remove Heat Wave to his moveset : same problem here. Dozan learns Fire Punch but he can't make hot winds with this morphology

If you need some help to make the egg moves you can contact me (but I don't know if pokemons are classified in egg groups atm) 

[zerobreaker]

Now that I think about it wind-based moves really doesn't fit on Galaxire wwwww
Removing them; In return, I'm giving it Ice Beam, though.
Good point with Lavadra. Adding the move.

As for Dozand... Well Dozand is made of sand and the desert is full of sand and wind in desert is hot I'll just leave now



There are egg groups for the mons right now. They're on the wikia, too.

[Tao]

You two can discuss movesets and TMlists as long as I haven't put the new infos into the game. That will be the last thing I will do, so you have still time for this.
It's always better to have more than 2 eyes on it. I trust zero with this stuff, he made a awesome job, so you can go on and change some things, if they doesn't fit ;-)

[auriol]

a few more : 

: Remove Heat Wave to his moveset : I think we have the same problem with Galaxire here, even if Triber learns some fire-types attacks, I don't know how he can learn wind-based moves lol.
: Add ThunderPunch to his moveset : Tarexite has a lot of similitudes with Lavadra, he can learn Fire Punch so why not give that.
: Add Ice Punch to his moveset : He has arms, but not a big change because he's special-oriented lol
: Add Fire/Thunder/Ice punch to his moveset : same as above

[zerobreaker]

I personally imagine Triber using Heat Wave by using its exhause vents or whatever it has that's used to release the heat building up in it, so it kiiiind of make sense to me? That said, Icy Wind and Vacuum Wave removed.
As for the others, sure, done.

[auriol]

: Adding Earth Power to their moveset. 

These pokemons (except Felove) can already learn Bulldoze, and they remind me a lot Shaymin who can learn this move. Moreover, idk Felove doesn't have the ground attacks (aka Dig, Bulldoze) like the three others. He seems close to the trio in terms of morphology. 

I think I've finished, I haven't noticed anything weird for the TMs/HMs so that's good )